— Hey, you know I ran into John today and he’s gonna actually be doin’ some travelin’ in Europe. He’s, uh, he says he’s gonna spend a lot of time in Prague.
— Oh, Prague’s awesome. Ah . . . did I tell you I lived there?
— No, get out of here. You never told me that.
— Yeah, I lived in Prague about 15 years ago.
— Oh, whoa, du-, what were you doing there?
— Well, I was traveling. I didn’t actually know that I would end up in Prague. I was just gonna do whatever came along.
— Wait, where’d you start out traveling?
— I got a one way ticket to Amsterdam.
— [laugh] Oh, nice.
— And one of the only people that I knew in Europe was this chick that I used to go out with.
So I figured I’d look her up. I knew she had another boyfriend at that point. But she said she could get me a place to stay and she was in Prague. So I figured I’d go there for a few weeks and see how it went.
— She was from Prague? Or… — No, she was American, but she was over there teaching English.
— Oh, nice, nice.
— So wait, how long did you spend in Amsterdam?
— I only spent about four days in Amsterdam before I got kind of sick of it.
— So you were just goin’, you were just basically like, uh, travelin’ through.
— Yeah, and then I started hitching.
— Oh, nice, nice.
— And kind of hooked up with some English chicks and just kind of spent a little bit of time with them on the road. And then eventually ended up, uh, on a train late at night and, uh, didn’t have any money, but pretended I didn’t understand what anyone was saying and ended up in Prague.
— Wait, when you first took off, um, from the U.S., were you actually traveling alone?
— Totally by myself.
- Oh, sweet.
— Nice… — It’s funny, looking back, I didn’t have anything with me, y’know.
— Yeah, you could just like basically, uh, take off on a whim.
— I had like one pair of shoes and no health insurance and I was just, uh, livin’ large.
— [laugh] That’s nice. And you know what, now you would probably look back and think that you were totally broke. And, uh, that, now that you have kids, that would be a difficult, a very difficult thing to think of.
— If I had to be responsible for them it would be difficult. But, y’know, I, uh, I was only responsible for me. And I kind of… I was, I was in the mood to, uh, to feel anonymous. I wanted to go where no one recognized me.
— Yeah, no that sounds great. So you, I, that’s great that you just traveled alone. A lot of people, uh, are not into doin’ that, y’know?
— Yeah, well, it’s a big deal.
— Yeah, some people… — You’ve got to kind of put yourself out there and just see what happens, y’know.
— Yeah, exactly. I actually, I’ve never traveled alone. But, uh, I, I’m sure I could do it, y’know, because, uh, I’m good, I, I feel like I’m pretty good at meeting people, y’know?
— Yeah, yeah. Well sometimes it’s fun to meet people and other times it’s fun to just truly be on your own. And, y’know, you get into a situation where you, where you realize that nobody knows where you are… — [laugh] — …and you just have this total sense of, uh, freedom.
— It’s crazy.
— Yeah, I can only imagine.
— You took the train from Amsterdam to, uh, to Prague?
— No, I took the train to somewhere in Germany and then I started thumbing on the side of the road.
— [laugh] Oh, how long did you stay in Germany?
- Uh, like two days.
— Oh, that wasn’t long at all.
— Yeah, just long enough for a couple of weird people to meet me and, uh, help me out, and take me to different places.
— So they actually picked you up?
— Yeah, at one point I decided that I didn’t really care what direction the car was going as long as it was warm and dry, I was getting in.
— Wait, did you, were you actually like, uh, did you believe that you were headed to Prague at that point or were you just… — Yeah…I was… — …headed wherever?
— No, I was headed to Prague, but I didn’t really care if it took me a while or what.
— Oh, that’s cool.
— So I just kind of went with the flow of what was happening.
— Yeah, what did you think of Germany while you were there, because I’ve never been there… — Kind of weird… — …either.
— …kind of weird. Uh, y’know, being, uh, being a Jew, uh… — [laugh] — …I was kind of aware of the history.
— Yeah, I’m sure that that’s something that is pretty hard to forget.
— Yeah, although, you know interestingly, the only person I met in Europe who was a deadhead was in Germany.
— Oh really! — Yeah, and he was like so happy that I was into the Dead when he met me and I gave him one tape that I had… — [laugh] — …and he was just ecstatic, because they weren’t able to get tapes like we were at that point.
— Oh, so he was actually German.
— [laugh] That’s great.
— Because this was before computers.
— Yeah, well if you think about it the Dead played there in, uh, ’81, and, uh… — Yeah, he, he knew about them. He knew what was up, but he was like, y’know… — Yeah.
— …I could use some music. And he had a Dead shirt on. He showed me. It was funny.
— Wait, he, he was actually wearing a Grateful Dead shirt when you met him?
— [laugh] That’s great.
— It was like underneath a sweatshirt. He was like, “No, really.” He pulls over… He lifts up the sweatshirt. He was like “Look.” It was like an old tie-dye.
— Were you wearing one also?
— Oh, so how did he know?
— Uh, I just started talking about it and I had bootlegs with me.
— Oh, that’s great.